Michael: Hi! I'm Michael. I'm from Toronto.

Simon: Yeah, Hi! I'm Simon from Vancouver.

Michael: Simon.

Simon:That's right.

Michael: So, are you francophone?

Simon: No, I'm not Francophone. That's a common mistake that other Canadians make. My parents were German so they use the German pronunciation of Simon, which is Simon.

Michael: Oh, really?

Simon: Yeah.

Michael: OK, so the German and the French are..

Simon: Pretty similar. Yeah, Spanish, French, German. Pretty much only English has the Simon pronunciation of that name.

Michael: OK, so you're from Vancouver?

Simon: Yeah, that's right.

Michael: I'm from Toronto but some of my favorite music came from Vancouver. I'm not quite sure, you look quite young. You may not have ever seen DOA play.

Simon: I'm very familiar with DOA. Actually, I'm older than I look. I'm 33, so I come from the DOA generation.

Michael: Excellent, so did you go to the Commodore Ballroom?

Simon: That's right and I've actually seen DOA at the Commodore and almost got hit in the head by a beer can that they throw out during their concerts. They like to throw beer cans into the crowd.

Michael: Well, I saw DOA at the university of Windsor where I went to do my undergraduate degree and it was one of the best shows I have ever been to. It was great.

Simon: Yeah. I mean when I was in high school, they were already old so but.. they kept rocking.

Michael: So how bout the.. do you know, how long have you been in Japan? Do you go back and have you seen any new bands in Vancouver?

Simon: Well, I've been in Japan just over a year so not that long. I did go back one time but we didn't see any concerts and the Commodore has changed since those days of DOA.

Michael: OK, just to show you how out of it I've become but I've just recently discovered Nickelback which is from Vancouver as well and also a band that I don't think die hard DOA fans would like cause it's pretty conventional rock I guess but I like them.

Simon: Yeah, I don't. I mean, they've got catchy tunes that many people like, for example my girlfriend who's Japanese loves Nickelback but I didn't even know they were from Vancouver. You know, they're just.. I thought they're were from the Prairies or something like that. Yeah, they're not cool enough.

Michael: They're not cool enough.

Simon: I think their music is crap.

Michael: Do you really?

Simon: Yeah, it's.. I mean they sound the same as any number of bands, you know.

Michael: OK, can you think of any group from Vancouver that is cool? A new band.

Simon: A new band. Well, you've caught me at a time because I'm in Japan and so new music doesn't really resonate here. Is that the correct word to say?

Michael: Well, what's your definition of new then? Is it like a minute old?

Simon: I can't say, you know.. you stumped me on new music. Yeah, how about you? Do you want to tell me about some music that you're listening to now?

Michael: You see, once you become middle-aged you start listening to a lot of stuff that you listened to when you were in high school or you actually find yourself nauseatingly wanting to hear things that you hated when you were in high school and it brings back memories. Like I can actually say that I enjoy doing a lesson where I have to play ABBA for my students, whereas I hated it when I was a kid. When I was in high school if you put an ABBA record on I probably would have punched you.

Simon: Oh, sure.. as an ESL teacher, we both have to play. You know, cheesy ballads and things like that for our students because that's what they like. Yeah. OK, let's get back to the music. You know, they're probably already old. But yeah, if you want good solid rock, I mean.. the next best thing was & quot;The White Stripes & quot; a few years ago and they're still quite good.

Michael: And they're from Vancouver?

Simon: No, they're from somewhere in the States. But they play you know, really edgy sort of classical style rock for the modern age. I don't know, for the 2000? Yeah.

Michael: I'm reading this book now about the so called Cam- Rock Renaissance, during the period 1985 to 1995. Bands like DOA of course, we've already mentioned also from Vancouver, Skinny Puppy would probably.

Simon: Skinny Puppy. There's a name I haven't heard in awhile.

Michael: Yep, and The Tragically Hip.

Simon: Overplayed group.

Michael: Overplayed. Tragically Hip is probably the most popular group in Canada, though.

Simon: Yeah, I lived with a techno DJ in university, so we often had parties at our house and he would play his new stuff that he was very proud of you know, acid jazz, hip-hop beats and all kind of weird stuff but good. And he had a rule because people kept on coming up to him and saying, & quot;Can you play 'The Hip' man? & quot; and he always said, & quot;There will be no 'Hip' played at this house. & quot;

Michael: That sounds like something I did when I was DJing in bar. Everyone would ask me to play Guns n' Roses and I absolutely despised them. I even went to the extent of buying one of the waitresses their album so that she would never request them again but unfortunately I didn't have enough money to buy everyone the album and I found myself playing them sometimes two or three times and the same song two or three times. It wasn't my place. I couldn't make the rule your friend made.

Simon: Yeah, I could hear the recurring theme. & quot;Play GnR, man. & quot;

Michael: Yeah.

Simon: Well, let's wrap up this conversation.