Todd: Hey, Shawn you're a big guy.

Shawn: Thank you.

Todd: Do you play rugby?

Shawn: I did in the past.

Todd: OK, how does rugby work?

Shawn: It's a bit like American football and soccer put together. It's.. the ball's about the size of an American football but the game in American football you pass forward but in rugby you pass backwards. Games are a bit shorter. They're 80 minutes long. Less stopages than American football but like soccer it's continuous play, how should I say, it's a physically demanding sport probably the one of the most physically demanding sports in the world.

Todd: OK, so you say it's physically demanding. How is it physically demanding?

Shawn: You have to be extremely strong but at the same time you have to have.. whatchacall, an extreme line on stamina to play this sport. Without stamina, you can not continue in this sport.

Todd: OK, just some people may not know. What is stamina?

Shawn: You have to be able to run for 80 minutes in the game. Besides the game rugby has a bit of it's own culture. A bit of a cult in the world. It's a very small following but people do follow it, follow it very devoutly, very seriously and its.. how should I say, I can honestly say rugby has been a big part in changing me into the person that I am presently.

Todd: Uh-huh. How so?

Shawn: Showed off.. how I can develop my leadership skills, my social skills and how to work as a team player. In such a.. how should I say, in that time when you do play rugby, it's so aggressive and it teaches you how to be a leader in tight situations and it shows how you can truly push yourself to the limit and not go.. how should I say, not go over the limit.

Todd: OK. Thanks Shawn.